Thursday, November 7, 2013

Too catholic to be Catholic 2


Too catholic to be Catholic 2

Thursday, November 07, 2013

The Source of the Question


This article is the second of a series interacting with Matt Yonke’s blog post on May 24, 2012.  Yonke, a Roman Catholic is in turn interacting with Dr. Peter J. Leithart, a Presbyterian.  The resulting discussion is a very sobering examination of the interrelationships between Reformed and Roman theology.  Neither of these writers is a lightweight, and neither pulls any punches.  This is exactly the sort of honest dialog that is necessary for the welfare of The Church.  I will post my objections and observations in the order they are discussed by Yonke.

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New Perspectives on Paul


New Perspectives on Paul (NPP) is a significant endnote to Federal Vision Theology (FVT) or Auburn Avenue Theology (2002),[1] which is why it needs to be discussed here.  NPP is sometimes mistakenly considered to be related to FVT; there are accidental coincidences, but these are exactly that: accidents.  FVT is distinctly conservative; while NPP may not always be conservative.  FVT is a Presbyterian and Reformed movement while NPP is much broader in denominational involvement.  NPP looks specifically at soteriological issues with the Reformation, especially as expressed by Lutherans and Calvinists; while FVT takes pains to maintain the classical soteriological constructs.  NPP possibly traces its roots to a 1963 Paper by a Lutheran theologian named Krister Stendahl (1921-2008).[2]  It appears to coalesce around 1977 with a paper by Ed Parish Sanders[3] (1937 —), a self-described liberal, whose religious heritage appears to be mixed, but was originally Methodist.  James D. G. Dunn[4] (1939 —), a Methodist, gave the movement its name in 1982.  If Sanders triggered the coalescence of NPP, Nicholas Thomas Wright[5] (1948 —), an Anglican, who is very conservative, except for leanings toward Christian mortalism,[6] is possibly its current banner carrier.

NPP from an FVT Perspective


Douglas Wilson[7] is quoted as listing these six tenets:[8]

1.    Justification by faith was present in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament.

2.    Faith and works are not opposed to one another in the Bible.  Faith was always present, even in the Old Testament.  The Jews were not trying to earn anything by works.

3.    Law and grace are not opposed to one another, or that the Old Testament was mostly law and the New Testament was mostly grace.

4.    Paul's primary focus was not individual salvation, but corporate salvation.

5.    Judaism was not a religion based on salvation by works or merit.

6.    Judaism satisfied Paul's burden of guilt; rather than what the Old Perspective thought, that Judaism could not ease Paul's conscience.

Evidently Wilson agrees with the first three of these tenets.  We comment.

1.    Justification by faith is the exclusive teaching of both Old and New Testaments.  However, biblical faith does not exist apart from biblical works.  Nor do biblical works exist separately from biblical faith.

2.    Biblically defined faith and works are not opposed to one another.  Biblical faith and secular works of the flesh are always opposed.  Covenant redemption and salvation is always a work of divine grace, for the Jews or anyone else, either corporately or personally.  However, that covenant redemption and salvation always requires a response of faith, and that faith is always attended by corresponding actions, which may properly be called works,[9] but not works of the flesh.

3.    Law and grace, or law and Gospel are almost always stated in the same verse: they are rarely, if ever, separated.[10]  You shall not have other gods before Me” brings the promise of life and freedom at the same time it reminds that violation brings slavery and death.”  This law is presented to a redeemed people, after their redemption.  However, they have been saved from slavery; they are about to be saved into the promised land.  It is self-contradictory[11] to permit a people bent on slavery to occupy the land of freedom.  “God so loved the world” brings life to one and death to another.[12]  There is no distinction, division or tension between them: they are two perspectives of the same thing.  The same covenant brings both blessing and cursing.  This is not merely a threat: the self-contradiction of disobedience is always impossible to consider.  One simply cannot believe in Christ and disbelieve in Christ at the same time.[13]

4.    The Biblical focus is on covenantal, community salvation.  Adam and Eve are Created in paradise: yet, together, throw it all away.  No sooner does God patiently provide redemptive garments, when Cain throws it all away.  Noah finds grace[14] in the eyes of the Lord, but before long large numbers have squandered it.  God makes Abraham a man of faith with all his family, but soon Lot’s wife is lost along with Sodom and Gomorrah.  Moses leads a mixed multitude out of the slavery of Egypt, but within days, most of them chose death.  The remaining Israelites enter the promised land, but by 722 BC, Israel has forsaken it; by 586 BC, the Jews have forsaken God as well, and the kingdom of God on earth will lie dormant, fallowing for 582 years, there is nothing left except a hollow shell.  When Christ comes, whole families are baptized into the faith, but many continue to fall away.  It appears to be more accurate to say that many who were welcomed into the community of salvation, chose to walk away: the emphasis is on individual damnation.  Nevertheless, this community gift brings with it a world and life view that calls forth an obedience of faith: having been given all the blessings and rights of the community covenant, individuals must still live within them.  On the other hand, our view of evangelism is distorted: we demand the preaching of sin, before applying the ointment of grace.  To the contrary, the Bible records the often repeated salvation of stiff necked and superstitious people; petulant children who only learn of the stench of their sins as they grow to adulthood.  Romans, for example, is directed to Christians who need to grow in grace, not to unbelievers in need of a savior.  That growth in grace always takes place within the supportive community.[15]

5.    Judaism after the Babylonian captivity in 516 BC, is a community devoid of the visible presence of God.  Although there are prophetic glimpses of light, the community remains predominantly in darkness.[16]  During this period Pharisaism lapsed into traditions that were added to Scripture, voiding it.  The traditions of the Pharisees had the effect of teaching salvation by works or merit, and hinged on blind rote obedience.  Judaism (516 BC-present) never has any significant gift of prophetic utterance, or of the Holy Ghost, hence the whole focus is on compliance in the flesh, simply because the visible Glory of God is absent.  When the visible Glory of God returns in 4 BC, Judaism is incapable of recognizing Him.  Foreigners from Persia, and unwashed peasant shepherds recognize Him, but Judaism does not.  Hence, the voice of Prophecy is rejected by Judaism.

6.    Devoid of the gift of the Holy Ghost, Judaism is incapable of seeing what David saw: the obedience to the Law through grace and faith.  Judaism is nothing more than a hollow, man centered form, of the covenantal richness of the Old Testament.  Paul found himself crushed under the weight of the Law, rather than being able to build upon the Law’s foundation.  Because Paul could not yet understand the resurrection of Christ, he could not understand the Law as fulfilled blessing.

NPP from an NPP Perspective


We offer the following summary quote unedited.[17]

‘It is often noted that the singular title “the new perspective” gives an unjustified impression of unity. It is a field of study in which many scholars are actively pursuing research and continuously revising their own theories in light of new evidence, and who do not necessarily agree with each other on any given issue. It has been suggested by many that the plural title "the new perspectives" may therefore be more accurate. In 2003, N. T. Wright, distancing himself from both Sanders and Dunn, commented that “there are probably almost as many ‘new perspective’ positions as there are writers espousing it – and I disagree with most of them”.  There are certain trends and commonalities within the movement, but what is held in common is the belief that the “old perspective” (the Lutheran and Reformed interpretations of Paul the Apostle and Judaism) is fundamentally incorrect.’

We humbly offer the following oversimplified summary of New Perspectives on Paul.  Here are some of the issues being discussed.

·       According, at least to some, NPP views, issues of Jewish Law including Torah, are cultural lifestyle issues between Jews and Greeks, in which the Greeks have no need to emulate the Jews.  This new view opposes the older view, in which it is impossible to meet God’s standards by good works.  We comment.  There are obviously broad differences in culture between Jews and Greeks.  It is true that the Gospel must go into all the world without uprooting the wide variety of established cultures.  On the other hand, Paul cannot be speaking with reference to Torah.  The death and resurrection of Christ is the fulfillment everything that Torah means: so Torah is as binding on Christians as it is on Jews.[18]  The only difference is that Christians see Torah as gloriously fulfilled; while Jews see it as unfulfilled, a burden that they must carry on their backs.  The old view is correct, in that the Jews were focused on rote obedience to the law, so much so that the Pharisees added many regulations in order to accomplish this.  Jesus brings scathing condemnation of such ideas as He fulfills the whole Law as our Champion in battle.  Paul further observes that such ideas bring only death for both Jew and Greek.  Nevertheless, the NPP point is well taken: it is not necessary to recite a litany of sins before preaching the Gospel.  The Law is given to a redeemed people after their redemption, and not before it.  The Scripture does not teach Cultural Imperialism, and it is fruitless to require the overthrow of a culture, before presenting the Gospel: that is not how the Gospel came to us.  The Gospel first came to us in all its freedom; then little-by-little the Holy Ghost led us to understand more of the death and resurrection of Christ; more-and-more how to live in the Kingdom; and our cultures were changed, not by coercion, but willingly.  It is inappropriate for us to impose that culture on anyone else.  God was patient with us as ignorant children steeped in useless superstition; we must be patient as He leads His other children.  God intends only one road for us all; but it is not our place to play God, we are not the Holy Ghost.  Our place is to cooperate with the Holy Ghost and serve Him, not to meddle in and obstruct His work.  If NPP has anything of value to say on this point, it would be that we have misinterpreted Scripture, been overzealous in our application, and have impeded people from coming to Christ.  We need to rethink our evangelism, but the Works of the Law are still death to all people.

·       “Paul [has] nothing negative to say about … good works.”  We comment.  We agree, good works are GOOD works.  The rabid dichotomy between faith and works is not something that is entertained anywhere in the Bible.  Faith and works are inseparable.  The expression “Sola Fide” cannot possibly mean faith without works, for that would be in direct contradiction of Paul’s own words, not to mention James.  The expression “Sola Fide” can only mean that my works have no merit for my redemption.[19]  Obviously, my works may have merit for others: for I may yet carry the Gospel to a new culture, and to this end I labor.  Previously, I did not cooperate with God in my redemption.  Dying, and already dead He breathed new life in me.  Prior to that, all my works were to wage war against God, so devious was the corruption of my madness.  But now He indwells me, and the Holy Ghost leads, so that by faith I cannot help but do good works.  I am part of the very body of Christ; His works, I do: I cooperate with God.  Since my salvation will not be complete until I see Jesus face-to-face in heaven with the resurrection of my body at the last day, my cooperation with God helps me grow in grace, and benefits those around me.  Even so, all of this cooperation with God is the work of His grace as He indwells me, and at the end of the day, I have earned nothing, deserved nothing.  Rather, I have labored in God’s vineyard for mere seconds; yet He rewards me with a full day’s wages and more.  So great is His grace, love, and mercy.  If however, I equate redemption and salvation, which is a perspective also seen in Scripture, my works will seem invisible.  Isn’t this a contradiction?  No!  When we are baptized, we receive all of the kingdom, not part of it.  Yet, we continue to live in our earthly bodies until death.  Why?  Why can’t we just go to heaven immediately, receive our resurrected bodies, and be done with it?  Why must we continue to live on this earth with all its sin and suffering?  This last pretends to be the question, but it is actually the answer.  We partake of the life and suffering of Christ, so that the rest of the world will hear and be saved.  In the process, we grow to be more-and-more like Christ, and we become evangelists.  Evangelism is not something that we do, as much as it is something that we are already, and are becoming.  This is indeed meritorious, it is faith in action, it is a life inseparable from good works.  We are not saved by our own works, but we cannot be saved apart from our own works.  Works are applied only in community and covenant as we are members of the body of Christ, but as members, we still participate individually.  I myself am baptized, but my baptism is for the welfare of The Whole Church.  I give my gifts, but they are for the good of all.

·       The old perspective is claimed to mean that faith is trust in the finished work of Christ alone for salvation.  NPP claims that faith frequently means faithfulness.[20]  We comment.  If by salvation, we mean forensic justification or redemption, then yes, faith is trust in the finished work of Christ alone in His death and resurrection.  If by salvation, we refer to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, which saves us, yes, faith is trust in the perfect work of the Holy Ghost.  However, if by salvation we include the ongoing leadership of the Holy Ghost throughout life, which incorporates us into the body of Christ and empowers us to live the Christian life so that we grow in grace and reach our glorious destination of eternal life in Christ, which is called by some Glorification and by others Theosis: we now consider something that requires faithfulness.  As with teaching children, the lessons of faith require appropriate responses.  A new lesson is not presented until the response develops.  The Christian life begins with baby steps, until we walk, then run, and finally fly.  There is nothing new in this.  The classical definition of faith has always been: in the Bible fides is notitia, assensus, and fiducia.  The last word has been contested on philosophical grounds, but the word obedience suffices in its place.  Faith always did mean “full submission to God.”  At most NPP simply reinforces the classical idea of faith.  It is sad to say that licentiousness has progressed so far in our “anything goes” society that many think of obedience to God as oppression, rather than freedom.  People want faith in faith, but they do not want faith in any objective reality.  The idea of Biblical faith only seems like an innovation, because it has been forgotten.

·       According to NPP the idea of grace implies a favor that must be repaid; whereas the old idea implies a lack of human effort in salvation.  We comment.  This is a reductio ad absurdum.  We should have listened to the hymn, “We give Thee but Thine own.”  The only thing we have to give to God that is exclusively our own is the confession of our sin.  We give God thanks for all His many blessing, but we could not even do that had He not given us the means to speak.  Our cooperation with God in grace is absolutely dependent on that grace from the Holy Ghost working within us.  How, exactly, is that a repayment?  If God loves me in such a way that I am empowered to love Him freely in return, how is that a repayment?  We have a debt of love, but my repayment amounts to returning a penny from my allowance to my Father: this is no repayment at all.  Blessed are the poor is Spirit….

·       The old idea of the atonement is claimed to be the Penal Substitution theory.  The scope of differing NPP views is exceedingly and excessively broad.  We comment.  The alleged NPP ideas are too varied to conclude that NPP has anything significant to say about atonement.  Consensus simply does not exist.

NPP from Our Perspective


From our perspective NPP has only one real contribution to the discussion: or at least only one in which we are interested.  NPP suggests that much of the Pauline corpus must be interpreted communally, corporately, covenantally, or nationally; not individually as usually assumed during the Reformation, and in the various developing Reformation theologies.  This is part of point four above as made by Douglas Wilson.

We agree that much of the Pauline corpus must be interpreted communally, corporately, covenantally, or nationally; not individually.  However, if this is imposed upon every verse of the Pauline corpus we must disagree.  Furthermore, it must also be observed that where Biblical Covenants are binding nationally, that individual loyalty and obedience within the Covenant nation is also necessary.  Nevertheless, that individual loyalty and obedience within Covenant must be reassessed.  This means that each verse must be reexamined in light of the idea of national Covenant to be sure that undue weight is not placed on individual behavior.  Failure to do this results in the eisegesis of Scripture, rather than its exegesis.  On the other hand, it is utterly impossible to draw a conclusion devoid of individual responsibility: for the Covenant community is necessarily made up of individuals, who must swear fealty to the Covenant’s Suzerain and live under the Covenant’s blessings and curses.  This may enable us to resolve many issues of Scripture that have long been problematic and the subject of controversy in The Church.

We believe that all the other ideas associated with NPP are corollaries of this one central idea.

Moreover, we believe that this analysis of NPP has a natural tangency with the Covenant idea developing within conservative Presbyterianism: hence the overlap and confusion between FVT and NPP, which are otherwise quite distinct.

It is this growing and maturing idea of Covenant in Scripture that most interests us; it most informs our ensuing discussion.  Issues concerning the Trinity are viewed as set in stone and thus not really open for discussion.  Eschatology seems to be a discussion of great interest, but not focally relevant to issues of Catholicity.  As far as Sacerdotalism[21] is concerned, we plead guilty as charged, with these provisions: One. Jesus Christ is the sole officiating priest in all Sacraments, human officiants merely serve as the hands and voice of Christ.  Two. The Holy Ghost is the sole empowerment and enabler of all Sacraments.[22]  Three. Whatever happens in Sacrament happens only at the pleasure and schedule of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost: nothing occurs according to the will of man.  We view the other issues as less germane to the overall topic of Catholicity.




[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Vision
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Perspective_on_Paul
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._P._Sanders
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._G._Dunn
[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N._T._Wright
[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mortalism
[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Wilson_(theologian)
[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Vision, under Federal Vision and the New Perspectives on Paul
[9] Other descriptive names may also be used; but different names do not obviate the necessity of these works.  For example, baptism is not an optional exercise, even though it is not exactly clear how the thief on the cross was baptized.  Nor is communion optional, for the one who believes cannot abstain from communion without good cause.  Likewise, church attendance is not optional, for it is the gathering of Christ’s body.  Whether one calls these works or something else, they are still required, along with several other like things.
[10] The attempt to sever Law and Gospel is like attempting to split a coin between its obverse and reverse: the result is meaningless, it is not half a coin, it is a headless or tailless nothing.  The full meaning and value of the coin exists because its obverse and reverse stand together.
[11] God is in the first commandment as Heavenly Father and Omnipotent Creator God.  Violation of the first commandment is a confession, a statement that we do not wish to have God as our Heavenly Father and Creator: We wish to have a different father and creator.  When God yields to our obstinate will, we quickly discover that we have chosen something that is non-existent, but we have orphaned ourselves.  Later, we discover that behind all such temptations lies the company, deceit, and slavery of demons: preferring their company we also share in their destiny, the Lake of Fire.  The self-contradiction is obvious.
God’s punishments are not the Lake of Fire, they are disciplines of teaching to deter us from our mad course and bring about repentance.
A father understands the enormity of sorrow wrapped up in the loss of a child.  The Heavenly Father loves all His children with the infinity of love only possible in God Himself.  We cannot begin to fathom the enormity of grief associated with God’s loss of a child.  However, as with David, the shock of grief occurs on the road to death.  After death, nothing more can be done, and grief is soon ended.  None of the observers understood this in David’s life.
[12] This proves that there is no dichotomy between the testaments.  The one may be called Law according to common figures of speech; but neither can be associated exclusively or even differently with Law or Gospel.  The same covenant expressed in one, unfolds in the other; the same elements visible in the full blossom, were always present, though somewhat veiled in the bud.  Nor does the Law blossom into the Gospel; Law and Gospel are together in the same words.
[13] The mystery of faith is so complicated that we are almost afraid to make this statement, less we mislead.  Since the Fall man has been so duplicitous that he believes and disbelieves in the same breath.  The difficulty is removed as we begin to understand that this duplicity is all unbelief.  Real perfect and pure faith is the gift of God built in us over time.  The facts of the matter are, we call ourselves believers, but we’re not there yet.
[14] Please do not miss the dominant theme of Grace in Covenant so early in Scripture.
[15] Hebrews 12:22-29, even if it were possible for the whole Christian Church on earth to abandon us and leave us orphaned, we would still not be left alone.
[16] Matthew 4:16 following the prophecy of Isaiah 9.  The people in darkness are Israelites, not pagans.
[17] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Perspective_on_Paul, under Main Ideas
[18] Some are so fanatically opposed to this fact that the mere mention of it is protested with outcries: judgmentalism, legalism, unlovingness, and the like.  This fanaticism is so rabid and rampant with regard to sexual sin that one can scarcely speak of the matter at all: anything goes, it is my body; I do with it as I please.  This open malice to the Law has progressed to the point where I overheard a priest quip, “I don’t take confessions anymore, there are no sins left.”  This condition of open malice to the Law is anarchy, antinomianism, and unrestrained licentiousness; it can only lead to death.
[19] The word, salvation, can be used here, and sometimes is.  We used redemption because it takes place only at the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ.  Salvation comes at a different time as Christ baptizes me with the Holy Ghost (this is not a defense of Pentecostalism), at which time, I was saved; so I am being saved, and when my body is raised, I will be saved.
[20] The concern over the genitive, pistis Christou, has little or nothing to do with NPP.  The linguistic difficulty between the objective and subjective use of the Greek genitive has always been present.  Translators sometimes overcook their work.  It should be clear to all that the Greek genitive and the English genitive are not perfectly identical in concept or scope.  The Greek genitive may have twenty or more nuances or uses that need to be spelled out in English.  This should inform us that the Greek idiom may embrace many or even all of these ideas at the same time, it wasn’t that difficult for the Greeks to understand.  If this claim is repugnant, please produce a Greek grammar from 50 AD that draws a distinction between the objective and subjective genitive.  Quite obviously, the faithfulness of Christ and faith in Christ (literally the faith of Christ) are inseparable concepts: so the point is moot, it amounts to so much grammatical nit-picking.  The faith of Christ has always been complete in God the Father and in God the Holy Ghost.  All one-in-many problems are resolved in the Trinity.  Christ’s confidence in the Trinity rests in the objective reality that it is impossible for any member of the Trinity to be unfaithful.  My faith in Christ exists only as I am objectively joined to Him.  God became man, so that man could become god.  We do not see that this has anything to do with the NPP position.
[21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacerdotalism
[22] We are not discussing here, the existence or non-existence of confection, or of God’s freedom to delegate authority, thus creating lawful human order and procedure.  God’s freedom is absolutely acknowledged.

Saturday, November 2, 2013

Too catholic to be Catholic


Too catholic to be Catholic 1

Saturday, November 02, 2013

The Source of the Question


This article is the first of a series interacting with Matt Yonke’s blog post on May 24, 2012.  Yonke, a Roman Catholic is in turn interacting with Dr. Peter J. Leithart, a Presbyterian.  The resulting discussion is a very sobering examination of the interrelationships between Reformed and Roman theology.  Neither of these writers is a lightweight, and neither pulls any punches.  This is exactly the sort of honest dialog that is necessary for the welfare of The Church.  I will post my objections and observations in the order they are discussed by Yonke.

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Federal Vision Theology


What on earth is Federal Vision Theology or Auburn Avenue Theology (2002)?[1]  Federal Vision Theology is a distinctly conservative Presbyterian and Reformed movement with roots at least as far back as 1975, when the discussion of these issues was hot while I was still in seminary.  These issues coalesced around 2002 at a pastor’s conference, hence the name Auburn Avenue Theology; and as a result of the ensuing controversy.  Had this coalescence occurred as early as 1985, we would have doubtless sought to be added to the signers of “A Joint Federal Vision Profession.”  In the interim, we abandoned Presbyterianism as a church and Calvinism as a theology.[2]  Nevertheless, our sympathies run very deep.  We apologize wherein we have failed to grasp the kernel of ideas, and eagerly await the necessary corrections, whereby we grow together toward the truth.  As a very brief and oversimplified summary of Federal Vision Theology we humbly offer the following.

·       The Holy Trinity is the Unique Model for all covenantal relationships,[3] informing all other theological issues.  We comment.  What Orthodox, Protestant, or Roman Catholic could object to this?  What claims might be made in opposition to this?  This seems like a gentle and innocuous way to say that the Holy Trinity is the center and foundation of all authority.  However, if the Holy Trinity is Unique in this Authority, then several other things are not: the Bible, Calvin, Luther, the Magisterium, the Vicarage of Papacy, or any other merely human thing.  Therein lies any anticipated controversy.

·       That the Second Coming of Christ will not take place until the elect are all gathered into the Kingdom.  We comment.  Who can object to this?  Nevertheless, this is erroneously termed Postmillennial Eschatology: it is merely one expression of Postmillennial Eschatology, and that not its original form.  Not until after 1054 did anyone believe that the end of the millennium was not around 1000.  Moreover, it expresses an erroneous idea of the Eschaton: for the Eschaton is neither the linear expression of the progress of prophetic prophecy, nor is it the cyclical repetition of history as eastern religions frequently teach.  The Eschaton is the Mystery presence of the Kingdom of God, which is present wherever Jesus, the Christ of God is present.  How is it that we can so blithely discuss the word, eternal, without realizing that it means without any reference or ability to measure time?  Augustine shows that the ubiquity of God does not refer to the distribution of God all over the Universe, which is the very definition of Pantheism.  Augustine shows that the ubiquity of God means that all of God is present everywhere, at all times, in and beyond the Universe.  The Eschaton adds to ubiquity, the facts that Christ is especially present to hear the cries of sinners to repent; that He indwells all believers, together with the Father and the Spirit, from their Baptism; and that He is especially present in the Liturgy of the Word, in the Liturgy of Communion, and in prayer.  It is wrong to say that in Communion we have a foretaste of the blessings to come.  In Communion we partake of the fullness of Christ and all that heaven has to offer; receive the beatific vision, or at least a fleeting glimpse of it through the fog: but we have to leave the service, and go back to our daily pursuits, while the saints in heaven continue uninterrupted in the rest of God.  We on earth walk into and out of this one eternal service every week.  It is doubtless true that the Second Coming of Christ will not take place until the elect are all gathered into God’s Kingdom, but that is not what Eschaton means.

·       Covenantal Objectivity is too complicated a concept to address or attempt to summarize here.  We comment.  There can be little disagreement that God has addressed His world in a series of Covenants.  There is considerable dispute about the existence of an Adamic Covenant; yet, since everything from Noah onward is Covenant centered, we don’t see how such objections can stand.  The Covenantal[4] theme of the whole Bible is so strong that we would be compelled to formulate an Adamic Covenant even if the Bible had nothing to say about the matter.  The Covenants obviously unfold in historic sequence, but there is considerable dispute about how and why they unfold: hence a-millennialism, pan-millennialism, pre-millennialism, Dispensationalism, and the like.  The controversy surrounding Covenantal Objectivity involves who may be considered a child of the Covenant, and why.  This sounds a good deal like the differences between Calvinists and Lutherans over issues like atonement, election, predestination, redemption, salvation, sovereignty, and the like.  We in part oppose this idea of Covenantal Objectivity.[5]  Suffice it to say that we believe that Christ died for the whole Universe of sinners, and not just for the elect.  We also claim that this does no damage whatsoever to God’s absolute sovereignty.  Moreover, a completely distinct, newer view is arising that views Covenants primarily as national, and not personal in force.[6]  The idea that some supposed Christians eventually fall away and are lost is the standard Presbyterian and Reformed view as expressed by the P in TULIP.  There is no idea of “Once saved, always saved” in TULIP theology.  We openly claim that Christians can and do lose their salvation.[7]  We deny that this is the correct understanding of election or predestination.  Nevertheless, many of the observations concerning Covenant Objectivity appear to be spot on: they broaden our understanding and provide much grist for thought

·       Baptism regenerates.  We comment.  We agree in part that baptism certainly regenerates; but not by water, by the sign, or by the authority of a human priest.  Baptism regenerates only because God the Father is pleased to bestow the Holy Ghost[8] whenever and however He wishes in accordance with the prayer of Christ.  We apply water in accordance with God’s promises in the hope and prayer for the gift and indwelling of the Holy Ghost.  Nevertheless, neither Christ nor the Holy Ghost operate at the pleasure of human bidding, so our understanding of baptism must remain a profound mystery: we do not believe in magic.  In general we agree that most, if not all, of what is claimed for Baptismal Regeneration is well stated.[9]

·       Small children, even infants, are received at Communion.  We comment.  We agree that paedocommunion is the historic view of the Church.  The evidence for this is so overwhelming that it cannot be a distinctive of Federal Vision Theology.  It might be considered a distinctive of the Orthodox Church.

·       Biblical interpretation is more art than method: it has no fixed method.  At best we compare Scripture with Scripture, considering also history, and other realities.  Since Scripture itself is so broad and deep, it is impossible to reduce interpretation to a fixed set of methodical rules.  We comment.  One side of the Biblical Theology and Typology argument maintains that God is only known mediately through Creation and the Bible among Protestants, through the Magisterium and Vicarage of the Papacy among Roman Catholics, or through Holy Tradition, etc. among Orthodox.[10]  Certainly God is known mediately through Creation and the Bible, who could disagree with that.  We do not deny that there may be other means to the mediate knowledge of God.  On the other hand, we believe that the real issue is the claim that there is also immediate access to the knowledge of God.  Specifically, “The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit.”[11]  We agree that the immediate access to the knowledge of God though the gift of the Holy Ghost is the norm of Christian life for all Christians.  If interpretation as “an intuitive art” means man centered artistic conception, the idea is heretical.  On the other hand, if interpretation as “an intuitive art” means that God has always addressed some men in Bath Kol, and now the Holy Ghost is given universally to all believers, but with varieties of gifts, we agree.  Whenever the Holy Ghost’s gifts extend to the interpretation of Scripture, we call this Bath Kol.[12]  We have this caveat, that Scripture neither be approached as a collection of facts, nor as simply a great story, but rather as the written covenant of an infinite relationship, God’s relationship with man.  Typological or iconographic presentations are a prominent and vital part of this relationship.[13]

·       “What matters is that we confess that our salvation is all of Christ, and not from us.”  We comment.  This is true enough, but it misrepresents and oversimplifies the problem of imputation.  This makes it difficult to summarize the distinctive Federal Vision stance.  It is difficult to disagree with the “double imputation of our sins to Jesus and His glory to us.”  We agree that it seems ludicrous to press the active obedience of Christ’s life to details of specific miracles.  However, John 14:12 does speak of doing even greater works: which of these can exist apart from the general and universal goodness of the active obedience of Christ.  Peter may not have changed water into wine, but he, by the power of Christ within him, certainly did perform many prodigious miracles.  Christ is more than an example of perfect humanity; He is the express power of perfect humanity.  In the mystery of union with Him, we are being made into perfect men.  It is in His hypostasis that we are changed.  We have to say that this is more relational than imputational.  “Christ became man, so that man could become god:” so we agree with the idea of partaking in Christ’s resurrection and glorification in addition to being legally justified.  This does involve imputation; but it also involves expiation, we hope for the day when we will finally be sinless; it involves healing from the damage done by our sin both to ourselves and the harm done to others; and when and if the necessary gifts are present, the ability to perform miracles.  Whether or not some of these gifts have ceased is a topic for another discussion.  Nevertheless, there appears to be wide divergence of opinion over how imputation is applied.  For example, is imputation directly and specifically to me on a one-for-one basis.  Or is Christ’s blood and righteousness imputed to the whole world, as a great festal table from which I am free to partake, yet I must partake.  Or is the table set in such a way that is appears to be available for all to partake, but only the elect do.[14]



[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Vision
[2] We sinfully abandoned the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, because of the crushing financial pressures: which was and is the failure to trust God for our support and falling under the condemnation of Matthew 13:7, 22.  The abandoning of Calvinism as a theology is more complicated.  In the first place, we are not experts on Calvin.  We have some understanding of TULIP.  However, TULIP is an overgeneralized and oversimplified summary of the Synod at Dordrecht (there are several variant spellings), which is in turn derived from Calvin, but is not the same as Calvin.  We want to avoid putting words into Calvin’s mouth, or adding ideas to Dordrecht.  To simplify the discussion we reject the L in TULIP, not because we know it to be untrue, but because the details of atonement are so far hidden within the mysteries of God that we commit the sin of trespass by even attempting to go there.  Moreover, we reject the idea of being classified as four point Calvinists, or any other such monstrosity.  We err greatly, if we are tempted to wander off, down such roads.
[3] Primary within these relationships is the profound philosophical discussion of the “one and many problem” which is too detailed to discuss here.  Those who wish to follow this trail in detail are invited to examine both Van Til and Rushdoony: we love them both.
[4] A profound investigation of Covenant is found in Kline, Meredith G., The Structure of Biblical Authority (Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, 1972: 183 pages), and his other writings.  These demonstrations of Covenant in the Bible go a long way to overthrow the Documentary Hypothesis and other modern heresies.  The reality of contemporary Christianity is such that liberalism, modernism, Neo-Orthodoxy and the like have so infiltrated Orthodox, Protestant, and Roman Catholic churches and educational institutions that we shall have to keep a sharp eye out to perceive if we are truly discussing Orthodox, Protestant, and Roman Catholic issues; or if we are being led astray by an evil traitor and a sower of discord among the brethren.  We are baffled by the behavior that admits obvious traitors to the Communion, yet excludes sincere seekers and locks them outside.  This is not unlike straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel.
[5] It sounds a lot like the discussion of Federal versus Seminal Headship.  We reject the idea of Federal Headship.  It seems to us that Seminal Headship is the classical view of The Church.  However, Seminal Headship, that sin is inherited from Adam, is easily distorted into some genetic disposition to sin: sin is seen as a heritability issue like blond hair and blue eyes.  We believe that the classical view of The Church, as expressed at Carthage (397) and Ephesus (431) is that sin is inherited from Adam because we actively participated in Adam.  This view necessitates the view that righteousness is inherited from Christ because we actively participate in Christ, which is of course, an apt description of the miraculous work of the Holy Ghost beginning in baptism: exclusively a work of grace, participated in by faith, love, and works.  This view also seems to necessitate that Christ received no genetic material from either Joseph or Mary, but His humanity is a new creation.  In any case, Christ most certainly did not participate in Adam’s sin, while Mary most certainly did participate in that sin.  Beyond this we are again in danger of the sin of trespassing into God’s hidden mysteries.
[6] The New Perspectives on Paul (NPP) movement perhaps discovered first by E. P. Sanders.  A discussion of this issue is found in Moo, Douglas J., The Epistle to the Romans, NICNT (Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, 1996: 1012 pages).  Moo is not completely supportive of this view.  We are very sympathetic to NPP ideas, without being completely committed to every facet of them: it causes us to see Scripture afresh, and it enriches our understanding.  For example, the environment and events of the Reformation, distort our view of Romans.  While this was germane in the sixteenth century it does not accurately express the message of Romans in the first through fifteenth centuries, and does not present the full orbed perspective necessary for Christianity today.  In particular, the Reformation view of Romans distorts our view of evangelism with an excessive emphasis on sin, and ignores the fact that Romans was written for believers, not for unbelievers.  Correct exegesis of Scripture must have meaning for its first hearers and for all eternity, not just for a century or two.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Perspective_on_Paul
[7] Again, we are drawing very close to God’s hidden mysteries.  We do not know what God will do.  We only see things from our earthly perspective.  Calvinists tend to describe this falling away in terms of their theological construct, while other Christians use different terms.  We do not know what God will do with those who appear to have fallen away.  We only know that God is good and merciful.  We have no real right to press the words of John and others into some sort of reductio ad absurdum (1 John 2:19).
[8] We prefer the term Ghost to Spirit, not because there is any fundamental difference in meaning, but because Ghost emphasizes that the Third Person of the Trinity is a Person, not a force or an influence.  He is not a gentle breeze, He is Very God.
[9] … in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Vision under the heading, Baptism.
[10] This is not intended as an exhaustive examination of the various positions, but only to show than most bodies have some view of mediate knowledge of God, and there are many variations on that idea.
[11] Romans 8:16, this calls into question the whole nature of revelation and inspiration.  The Jews believe, as do we, in Bath Kol, secondary revelation and inspiration.  Consequently, I must confess that every idea I have ever had either comes from demons or from God.  If I have a good engineering design idea, it originated from God’s common grace, and I should give all the glory to God for it.  Herod failed to glorify God and was put to death for his insult (Act 12:23).  If I have an insight into Scripture, God gave it to me, it is the result of God’s spiritual gifts in action, and I had better glorify God for it.  But I cannot simply have the gift of Prophetic Utterance which is reserved for God’s chosen Apostles and Prophets.
[12] http://swantec.blogspot.com/2013/09/which-bible-7.html and http://swantec.blogspot.com/2013/09/which-bible-8.html
[13] For example the whole tabernacle design is said to be modeled after the heavenly reality that Moses saw at Sinai.  In Revelation we see the reality of this model or icon unfolded.  In Hebrews we hear it explained as the better things of God, culminating in the blood of the New Covenant.  Can there be any doubt that the whole of Leviticus is a type of the Crucifixion of Christ?  On the other hand, the presence of the Shekinah is no type; it is the reality of the eternal Glorious presence of God made visible.  Here is objective rational proof enough for the existence of God, for millions of people observed this Shekinah speaking with Moses and the Prophets, resident in the tabernacle and temple over a period of roughly eight hundred sixty years.
[14] Without overgeneralizing, these differences pertaining to imputation, approach some of the core differences between Calvinistic and Lutheran theology.  To be fair, this is very complicated.